Autistic Adults who break the law.

They have closed the hospitals.
If it is true that Autistic people cannot help their behaviour some Autistic people who break the law might need to be locked up but not be put in an ordinary prison.
Many Autistic people land in prison for anti social behaviour which is not accepted for Adults but children do it. Autistic people often do not grow out of deviant behaviour.

If there is no point punishing an Autistic person and a normal prison might kill an Autistic person.
The answer might be to have secure homes for Autistic people.
In the homes Autistic people should be able to pursue their interests and perhaps be taken out with staff althought society would be protected the inmates would not be locked in cells.

The object of course should be to keep Autistic people free with support in the community for as a large proportion of Autistic people.

I know Secure Homes for Autistic people might be considered prisons under another name.
David Shamash
London.
  • I agree that there is lots to be learned in society about adults on spectrum. We have a long way to go, stearting with teaching law enforcement to notice signs. I would encourage special needs adults that are lower on spectrum & may cause confustion to wear some sort of health needs alert bracelet in case they run into trouble, so police can regognize that they are dealing with a mentality issue not a purposefully defiant person.
    As a mom of a young one, I try my best not to allow him to get away with things I wouldn't allow any child to get away with. You need to dicipline all kids so that they learn right from wrong, so that it doesn't become a habbit or assume he can do what he wants. Its important to teach social boundries & laws and why.
  • How can one teach social boundaries to an Autistic child.?
    Do they accept punishment?
    I agree with a lot of what you say.
    On the other hand an adult Aspi who breaks the law may be there needs to be special provision so they do not go to an ordinary prison.
    In England they have life sentences for public proterction say three years to life.
    That means if someone is a nuisence to society they can be locked up for years for something not serious.
    Well many adults Autistics who break the law in my opinion should not be locked up in an ordinary prison but in a secure home. Stealling might have nothing to do with Autism but breach of the peace or getting into fights probably has.
    David Shamash
    London
  • The only real way to teach social boundries is by experience & repetition, & consitantly re-directing. Continuois reminders, teaching emotions, once able to communicate well enough, social stories & situations can help.
  • Doesn't particularly help with meltdowns...I am about as redirected as an AS person can get and can still quite suddenly and unexpectedly 'lose it' in public and put myself in a position of being in the wrong when I suddenly snap from 'normal' to something else. .

    Examples:

    1. A woman nearly backed over me in a car park, she apologized and I told her not to worry about it. But she didn't let it go at that ;when I was leaving she parked her car across mine stuck her head in my car window and started apologizing again and dumped all her emotional crap right in my face; I panicked and nearly took her head off winding up my window and dangerous driving trying to get away from her.... 'normal' would be to let her dump all her gunk and not even feel it,

    2. An arrogant old man purposely trapped a woman in the car behind him across a busy intersection because he was annoyed that she used her horn to try to get him to move on. She was panicking because she had 3 small children in the car. I was there started shouting at the man and when he ignored me too, I started laying into his car with my shoe; that made him move...there were quite a few 'normal' people present who were happy to ignore the situation the young mother and her children were in

    3. I had my small dog in a leash free park and a woman with a couple of huge off leash dogs that I had already seen bail up a woman outside the leash free yard started coming into the yard which was meant for small dogs ( there was a leash free for big dogs available next to one I was in) when she entered the park for the small dogs I asked her not to bring her dogs in until I could leave, she ignored me and I had to try to get out of the park carrying my small dog. I sprinted across the yard and had to physically fight her still holding my small dog to stop her letting her dogs in. She reported me to the police for assault and I had to flash my AS card.. BTW she was twice the size I am....Who knows what 'normal' would have done in this situation; let their small dog get torn to shred I suppose.

    I could give more examples only its probably boring. I was in the right in all of these situations but legally in the wrong and my behavior was inappropriate and against the law. like a lot of AS people I am a time bomb waiting to go off in public situations ; makes me a menace to society...like other AS people I suppose.
  • You must be very busy when you go out as lots of people do the wrong thing. I think a normal person would've told the lady she was in the wrong leash free park & hoped she went to the right one.
    David I think some autistic people like to behave well, & others have issues they can't control I suppose.
  • I did tell her nicely, but she smelt my fear and went for it anyway...women with big off leash dogs and even bigger stomachs seem to have aggression issues. I told the police that she needed to drop the charges or I would counter sue her for having dangerous dogs off leash in a public area, I was conscious enough to get the phone number of the woman that the dogs bailed up before she tried to bring them into the off leash area.
  • Sometimes people with big stomachs have gotten that way due to the side affects of anti depressants. If I see someone bigger than normal I say to myself perhaps they have mental health issues. I used to have a big wild dog & I never let it off leash. One day it broke the leash, it didn't like male dogs, but it was people friendly. I only had this dog because my eccentric husband insisted. Left to my own devices I would've had a cat as I don't like making a nuisance of myself in public.
  • She was strong too; got me in a head lock and squished my poor little dog; she nearly died from suffocation and I nearly died from a broken neck. We might have fared better with her aggressive giant dogs. She only called the police because her son was a policeman... Oh well depression; anyone can be depressed if they want or they can do something about it or whatever is causing it. From what I know of depressed people; they spend too much time feeling sorry for themselves and create all the wrong chemical.
  • What was the out cme of the case?
    Did she drop the case?
    I think in the UK you would both be bound over to keep the peace.
    Do they bound people over in Australia?
    That is agreeing to forefit a sum of money if you break the law in a period of time.

    It appears to me that the her dogs should be put down.
    David Shamash
  • I had a police officer turn up at my house, he took me down to the station to make a statement and on the strength of my statement he said he didn't think I was a threat to society and drove me home. That was the end of it; the woman would have been advised to drop the assault charges against me.

    I would have counter sued her because she had 2 dangerous off leash dogs in a public place. Even my little dogs can go into pack mentality, its in all dogs nature to do that...she was on a power trip and knew they were a potential danger to my little dog and me if I tried to protect her. I see it all the time with people with big vicious breed dogs; especially in the area I live in,
  • Jahki: Well dogs tend to bite.
    What kind of dogs were there?
    It was probably trying to protect her the owner.

    On the general point if Autistic people are a danger to society because of their Autism:
    Is it not right that there should be alternaties to prison for them?
    The alternative used to be a mental hospital but many mental hospitals have closed down in the UK and I am sure across the world.
    A large Hospital would not be suitable for someone with Autism anyway.
    Jarqui I have never met you but you certainly do not appear dangerous to me.
    David Shamash.
    London.
  • I can be quite scary...... The dogs were running free in the park and set a woman who was nowhere near the owner. The person the dogs went after knew how to respond and stopped moving until the owner got them under control, but then the owner didn't put them on a leash and instead of taking them to the big dog leash free came into the small dog leash free, even though she saw me pick up my small dog before she came in.

    My small dog would have been terrified they would have sensed the fear and would have attacked her and me because I was holding her. I got to the gate and got it closed before the owner let the dogs in but she was already in even though I had asked her to restrain her dogs until I had a chance to leave...it was really stressful and I had to physically stop her from bringing the dogs into the yard....don't know the breed but they were big heavy breed dogs their heads were bigger than my dog's entire body and head put together.
  • Mostly AS people react with stress and fear; I don't think autism is a good excuse for being a criminal or endangering other people and if an AS person does hurt other people or their property then they should be held accountable like everyone else is.
  • No AUTISM is not an excuse to deliberatly break the law.
    On the other hand Autism is a Developmental Disorder so the Courts should take into account.
    Ordinary prisons could be even worse for Autistic people than Non Autistic people.
    That is why I say they should be secure homes for Autistic people instead of prisons.
    May be not for all Autistic criminals but for Autisitistic people who get into trouble for behaving in a childish way.
    David Shamash
  • Is childish behavior a jailable offence?